An new sun rises in the interconnected human heart
Posted on Dec 14th, 2007
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Carl
Intersubjective creativity as the ground and the goal of human evolution
We live in a creative universe. Thirteen billion years of evolution are clear evidence that everything in this universe is in a state of constant flux and development. Creativity is also at the core of human activity – development and creative transformation are hallmarks of human culture over the last five thousand years. Creativity thus defines both the essence of humanity and the essence of the universe in which we live. Therefore, understanding creativity not only provides the key to our innermost core, but also points a way to understand our role in this evolving universe. Here I discuss some general aspects of creativity and then examine how these relate to human creativity in the twenty-first century. I argue that the leading edge of evolution is currently taking place in the intersubjective dimension of human creativity, and that the creative process at this level joins together self-reflective consciousness present in individual human beings. I propose that this intersubjective creativity is both the ground and the goal of human evolution.
The interconnecting nature of creativity
One of the most striking features of creativity is that it connects. It brings together two previously unconnected objects, people, thoughts, or ideas in such a way that they form a larger whole. The product of the creative process is thus a new whole formed by connecting the building blocks available at the outset of the process. The objects, people, thoughts, or ideas present at the start are still present in the newly formed whole, but they have become interconnected by entering into a new relationship with each other. This means that creativity is progressive in nature - it builds up on what has happened before. A new whole can only be constructed from parts that are already available.
If creativity interconnects building blocks that are already present, is there anything really new in the creative event? The novelty must lie in the nature of the newly formed interaction. If this is significantly different from previous interactions, then it is new. But this raises another issue - an infinite number of potentially new connections are possible at any time, but only a handful of these are both new and relevant. Relevance is defined here as a new connection that generates a larger whole which is free from internal contradiction. Freedom from internal contradiction is essential if the newly formed whole is to remain stable without falling apart. It is also essential if the newly formed whole is to become available as a building block for the next level of creativity.
Freedom from internal contradiction is the absence of antagonism between parts of a whole that would contradict their creative union. This is the absence of a negative quality, but it can be taken further to make it a positive quality: a creative event is defined by the arising of synergy in the newly created whole. Synergy is an interaction between the parts in a whole that mutually enhances both the whole and the parts, and thereby changes the parts in a positive manner. The novelty of a truly creative event therefore lies not only in the novelty of the new interaction, but also in the way that the building blocks are changed by this new interaction.
If there is strong synergy in a newly formed whole, the parts gain greater freedom from internal contradiction than they had before their creative union. This is paradoxical, since the parts give up some independence as separate wholes in order to become parts, while at the same time gaining freedom from internal contradiction by becoming parts. This is because the increased synergy present in a newly formed whole depends on the wholeness of the parts. Only parts that are themselves stable wholes can contribute to a larger whole by creative union with other parts. Thus the greater synergy present in a larger whole acts as an attractor for the wholeness of its parts, and it reinforces their wholeness by consistently demanding the wholeness of the parts for its existence.
An important aspect of any creative process is therefore a critical appraisal, or ‘quality check’, of the level of internal contradiction versus internal synergy arising in a newly created whole. For a new whole to be stable, the level of internal synergy must always exceed the level of internal contradiction, and any whole that does not meet this standard will fall apart again into its parts. Creativity thus depends not only on the generation of relevant new connections, but also on the destruction of old connections that do not meet this criterion.
Guidance of creativity both by the relative and the absolute context
Since any creative event depends on the building blocks available to it, the nature of the building blocks determines the starting point of the creative process. This can be viewed as the guidance of creativity by the relative context in which it arises. If we consider the evolution of the cosmos, this is illustrated by the example of atoms joining together to form molecules. At this moment of cosmic evolution, the most complex and highly developed building blocks available are atoms, and so the only truly creative event possible at this point is the formation of chemical and physical bonds between atoms to generate larger wholes called molecules. Therefore, at any given point in the evolutionary process only one truly creative event is possible, and this event is defined by the nature of the most highly developed building blocks available at that moment.
If the relative context determines the starting point of the creative process, what determines its outcome? We have seen that the creative process generates new connections between building blocks giving rise to a larger whole, and that relevant new connections are selected on the basis of whether they generate a whole that has a higher level of internal synergy than it has internal contradiction.
While any whole can be shown to have a greater or lesser degree of freedom from internal contradiction in the relative dimension, this is not the case in the Absolute dimension. In the Absolute, there is only One whole, which by definition cannot be broken down into parts, and the Absolute is therefore completely free from internal contradiction. Since the creative process is an attempt to generate a new whole that is free from internal contradiction, the creative union is an attempt to generate a new whole resembling the Absolute by virtue of this property. The outcome of creativity is thus guided by the Absolute, which acts as an attractor for the creative process.
Human creativity adds reflective consciousness to the creative process
Given that creativity is a universal feature of the cosmos and of its evolutionary unfolding, is it always the same creativity? In other words, is there only one creative process? I argue that this is indeed the case: the fundamental features of creativity are identical, no matter whether atoms are joined into molecules, genes are recombined to form new organisms, or thoughts are joined to form new ideas. Human creativity is therefore fundamentally similar to any other creativity in the cosmos. But there is nevertheless a feature of human beings that distinguishes them from almost all other wholes in the cosmos: the presence of self-reflective consciousness. Creativity in human beings is therefore cosmic creativity with self-reflective consciousness added to it.
Self-reflective awareness of the creative process has two different aspects. One of these is the awareness of the creative process as it happens in the cosmos and in other human beings, while the second is the subjective awareness of creativity as it happens in oneself. Both of these are important for human creativity, and the second is critical for the highest level of intersubjective creativity, as I will argue below.
While human creativity is fundamentally similar to any other creative event in the universe, the addition of self-reflective consciousness does have a significant effect on the creative process. This is because reflective consciousness can be used to guide the creative process by coupling it to the decision-making faculty of human beings. One consequence of this is that the creative process in human culture is much faster than creativity in physical and biological evolution, which lack this level of guidance.
Human reflective consciousness can be used to harness the guidance of creativity by both the relative context and the Absolute context. The guidance by the relative context is harnessed by analyzing the nature of the building blocks available at the start of the creative process, based on the understanding that any truly creative event results in a novel combination of the most highly developed building blocks. Harnessing the guidance of the Absolute context is more subtle, and depends on the faculty of intuition, which I argue is our ability to connect to the Absolute dimension. Since the creative process always aims to generate a new whole that resembles the Absolute by virtue of being free from internal contradiction, the ability to connect to the Absolute allows us to know something about the goal of the creative process. This connection to the Absolute is the subjective feeling state of being free from internal contradiction, and in the intuitive breakthrough of the human creative process, intuition is applied to the generation of a new whole that also has the property of freedom from internal contradiction.
Human creativity is the current leading edge of cosmic evolution
If only one really creative event is possible at any one point during the evolutionary process, what does that event look like at this moment in time? To answer this question, we must identify the most highly developed building blocks available right now. Clearly, these building blocks are human beings in one shape or another – the most highly evolved life form known to us, at least in this part of the cosmos. But there is a great deal of diversity among human beings - both cultural and developmental differences. Furthermore, we have seen that only parts with a high degree of wholeness are suitable as building blocks for a larger whole.
To identify the most highly evolved building blocks currently available to evolution, we must therefore characterize the highest levels of human development, and define what wholeness, or freedom from internal contradiction, looks like at these levels. Secondly, we must characterize the interactions taking place, or potentially taking place, among building blocks at these levels, thereby leading to their creative union into a larger whole.
Since the fundamental feature distinguishing human beings from other wholes in the cosmos is the presence of self-reflective consciousness, I propose that perfection of the human form lies in the perfection of this feature. I have already argued that at the highest levels, one aspect of this self-reflective consciousness is the reflective awareness of the creative process, as it happens in the world at large and in oneself. But another aspect of self-reflective consciousness in humans is the reflective awareness of wholeness. This is the subjective feeling state of being free from internal contradiction, and in its highest form this is identical with the eastern notion of spiritual enlightenment. It is the recognition that there is only One without a second, and the realization of being that One without a second. It is the union with the Absolute in human consciousness.
I therefore argue that the highest levels of human development are those at which individuals have achieved the greatest degree of self-reflective awareness of both the creative process, as well as self-reflective awareness of wholeness. Since reflective awareness of wholeness is only possible when one is in a state of wholeness, this depends on freedom from internal contradiction, which is simultaneously the qualification of the individual to become part of a larger whole.
In other words, human beings must be free from significant internal contradictions, and also deeply aligned with the creative process, in order to engage in creativity at the highest levels. A large part of human development is therefore simply the process of becoming aware of the creative process, as well as reaching an inner level of wholeness making one available to participate in it.
The human heart as the new center of creativity
I have suggested that the most highly evolved building blocks available at this point in evolution are human beings with reflective awareness of both the creative process and of wholeness. To become available as building blocks for the creative process, these individuals must in addition make the conscious decision to participate. What does this participation look like, and what are the interactions that join building blocks at this level of creativity into a larger whole?
One might argue that the creative process at this level joins thoughts and ideas, and not human individuals. This is part of the truth, but I propose that at this level of creativity, much more than simply ideas are joined together. The reason for this again lies in the fact that the defining feature of human beings is self-reflective consciousness, and that the availability of human individuals for the creative process depends on the presence of this reflective consciousness. Since self-reflective consciousness is the essence of the most highly evolved building blocks currently available, this essence must be incorporated into their creative union. In other words, the creative process at this level joins together self-reflective consciousness present in human beings. The result of this process is the emergence of intersubjective self-reflective consciousness through the creative union of individuals with self-reflective consciousness.
What are the defining features of this newly created intersubjective reflective consciousness? Since it is a property of the larger whole formed by this creative union, it must be greater than the reflective consciousness present in its parts. However, we have also seen that the increased freedom from contradiction present in a larger whole enhances the freedom from contradiction present in its parts. In other words, the increased wholeness, and increased reflective consciousness of wholeness, present in the intersubjective dimension of the newly formed whole leads to greater wholeness, and greater reflective consciousness of wholeness, in its parts. This is experienced by the individual as becoming more whole due to creative union with other individuals. It is the feeling of attaining greater freedom from internal contradiction as a result of this union.
What are the interactions leading to creative union of human beings at this level? Since that which is joined together at the highest level of creativity is self-reflective consciousness, I argue that creative union at this level must include at least some degree of awareness of the self-reflective consciousness being joined. This added level of reflection separates the subject slightly from the object of reflection, which in this case is self-reflective consciousness itself, and thereby makes this consciousness available as a building block for creative union. Furthermore, this added level of reflection must be intersubjective - it must be shared between the individuals participating in the creative union. In other words, self-reflective consciousness must be consciously present in the creative exchange at this level of creativity.
How is this creative union different from one in which ideas are exchanged to create new concepts? If only ideas are exchanged, without the presence of reflective consciousness of wholeness and reflective consciousness of the creative process, then the resulting concepts do not incorporate the deepest essence of humanity. This essence must be present in addition to the concepts, and it must be consciously present in the individuals at the time of union, in order to generate the deepest level of human creativity.
The essence of humanity has often been equated with its soul, but this essence can also be seen as its center, or the core of humanity. It is the heart, which balances and integrates all other parts of a human individual to generate a whole being, and it is this center which is joined to other centers like it in the deepest intersubjective creativity. The center can also be viewed as the seat of the self, or that which is more like the self than any particular aspect of a human individual. The self is closest to the subject, and is therefore usually hidden from its full reflective awareness. But at the highest level of human creativity the self is joined to other selves in intersubjective creative union, and it is thereby revealed in this union. As the self becomes accessible to the reflective awareness of the individual subject in the creative union, participation in this process is perhaps the most powerful way to reflect on one’s self. Deep intersubjective creativity thus has the potential to reveal who we really are.
Intersubjective creativity is both the ground and the goal of human evolution
At the highest level of creativity, self-reflective consciousness present in human individuals is joined together to generate intersubjective self-reflective consciousness. But I have argued that this is only possible if the creative union includes at least some degree of self-reflective awareness of the creative process shared between the participating individuals already at the outset. Paradoxically, therefore, intersubjective creativity is both the starting point and the end product of the creative process at this level. In that case, is anything really changed as a result of this creative union? I propose that the creative union leads to the formation of greater self-reflective consciousness. More self-reflective consciousness is present after the creative union than before it, and thus the novelty of a truly creative event at this level lies in the degree to which self-reflective consciousness is generated.
Since self-reflective consciousness is the defining feature of human beings, I have argued that perfection of the human form lies in the perfection of this feature. Here, I further propose that perfection of the human form can only be achieved through intersubjective creativity, since this is the most powerful process whereby self-reflective consciousness is generated. Once again, this is paradoxical - a high degree of self-reflective consciousness is a necessary precondition for individuals to participate in this process, and yet the goal of the creative process is to generate more self-reflective consciousness, both in the whole and in its parts. Since intersubjective creativity at this level depends on the presence of self-reflective consciousness, this consciousness is both the ground and the goal of this process.
If greater self-reflective consciousness is the product of intersubjective creativity, then what does this product look like? As consciousness is not an object, however, we cannot look at it from the outside. Indeed, self-reflective consciousness is so close to the subject that a better question would be: what does this consciousness feel like? Consciousness is highly elusive and escapes all grasping by the mind. Self-reflective consciousness, which is consciousness reflecting on consciousness, or the awareness of awareness, is even more subtle in nature. And since it is closer to the subject than anything else, it can only be understood from inside the subject, by direct participation in the process that generates it.
Perhaps one of the best metaphors for consciousness is light - the awareness of something is like shining an inner light on to it. And hence self-reflective consciousness is the shining of light on to light, which thereby amplifies the intensity of that light. Direct participation in a process generating greater self-reflective consciousness thus feels like experiencing the birth of light from the inside. It is the feeling experience of a sun rising within oneself, inside one’s deepest interior. And since this consciousness can only be born through intersubjective creative union of the human heart, its birth is the rise of a new sun in the interconnected human heart.
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Interesting…..I have a question.
How does human nature or human instinct correspond to reality or consciousness?
Good question. Instinct seems to be a way of knowing something without knowing how we know it. In that sense it's similar to intuition - it's a connection to a deeper knowing or an intelligence that is beyond our thinking mind. It seems we have lost a large part of our ability to listen to instinct and intuition by focusing excessively on the thinking mind. But this isn't all bad, since the thinking mind allows us to reflect on instinct/intuition. So we can learn to tune in to our instincts again, and we can also analyze and reflect on them.
Wikipedia defines intuition as “direct cognition without the use of rational processes”. Based on my own experience, this direct cognition is more real than analyzing the same thing rationally. Intuition/instinct is closer to reality itself because it is not mediated by abstract ideas or concepts. But at the same time, I can only be aware of that fact by reflecting on it in terms of ideas and concepts, as I'm doing now. So I would argue that our reality is a combination of direct cognition (in the form of human instinct/intuition), coupled to refective thinking (in the form of conscious human thought). Or, in other words, human nature is found in the the bridging and harmonization of the rational and trans-rational aspects of reality.
Yes, excellent!
I am inclined to use the: “Intuitive Use of Intuition Method!” which means that I leave intuition “ON” and give it permission to kick in to integrate with my intellect.
I do pride myself on not knowing it all….it makes me very intuitive…because I know when it is good to be intuitive, which is actually all the time…and the definition of being intuitive fo me is being open to receive more information, not needing to figure it out on my own….
We forget what pure consciousness is and stay too independent in our endeavor to evolve and analyse that process, I suppose…I do not know if I ever had that problem, per se…probably did…but…..I also learned that….
Being intuitive means not being fully content with what I know objectively, unless that is sufficient for me.
However, if I want to kick my manifestation up a notch or two, I “feel free” to know more, but I must want to know more, as if there is more to know, which means I do not mind admitting that.
And then higher aspects of me unfold more information and with a perspective of greater brevity.
What I like to do then is compare that greater brevity with what I call status quo processing. The difference in amazing….am I making myself clear?
Thanks - yes. I think you're expressing something beyond words, but I'm getting a clear sense of it, somehow. I would be very interested to hear more about your experience with intuition. Do you think there is intuitive communication? Something like 'shared intuition', or 'collective intuition'? I believe I've experienced that a couple of times in relationships, when I could feel my partner's intuition almost as if it was my own.
Also, do you think intuition can be learnt and developed? Most peope seem to think it's something you either have, or you don't, but you can't develop it as a skill. Has your intuition developed over time?
Do you think there is intuitive communication? Something like 'shared intuition', or 'collective intuition'?
In reality, we are only suppose to share experiences and that is all. On earth we deal with the illusion that we are separate from each other. That creates the need to verify whether we see experiences the same.
For example, If you and I see a UFO and we are both shocked, I can tell that we shared an experience by the look in your eyes. I can discern from your expression that we just saw it at the same time. That is intuition – exchanging information from the same perspective without the need to confirm it.
The illusion that we are separate makes me want to be sure that we did share that odd experience. After all, you were standing over there, and I was standing over here, so that means there is a chance that you did not see what I saw. That is fear and denial.
Fear and denial makes it necessary that we use communication to confirm that we shared an experience. So, then I ask, “Did you just see what I saw?” Now, that is communication and intuition has nothing to do with that…
Also, do you think intuition can be learnt and developed?
Intuition is the “act of being alive,” as opposed to being a trait, quality, or characteristic.
That is to say, you do not need to be taught how to be “alive,” but you may need to be socialized or cultured in order “to live dynamically.”
Similarly, you do not need to be taught how to be intuitive, but shown how to be dynamically intuitive.
Does that make sense, Karl?
Most people seem to think it's something you either have, or you don't, but you can't develop it as a skill. Has your intuition developed over time?
Some people are inclined to be intuitive; and if being intuitive shows advantageous, it becomes a socially learned behavior, that gets used and honed as a skill.
Being psychic generally means being sensitive to subtle energies that do not register with the normal senses, and that happens naturally from some people. There are circumstances, which make whole groups of non-psychics be perceptive to subtle energies if the environment is conducive for that. Some people are condusive to experiencing subtle energies all the time, anywhere. In reality, we all experience subtle energies, just to certain degrees, which is being more or less sensitive. If you and a psychic are standing in a room, and the psychic sees a ghost, you may not see the ghost, but the hair may rise on the back of your neck.
So, in this way being intuitive gets confused with being psychic. Now, you can be taught how to tune into subtle energies by focussing to do this intentionally. That is a skill that can be learnt. Otherwise, people who tune into subtle energies without training are natural born psychics.
Am I a natural born psychic? Yes and no. I did not see dead people, until I decided I wanted to.
If I am in your house, and I sense the energy of a woman who has transitioned in that house, then I describe the feeling. If I want to see her, I just imagine in my mind what she would look like, if she were alive standing before me.
My intuition would show me through my imagination that she is wearing a flowered blouse with a long straight gray A-line skirt in the style with the 1950's with black heals, not too high, but with straps. I'd see in my imagination that she is dressed more like a librarian or teacher, maybe a secretary, or a stylish mom, maybe even a nanny. This is how I control what I perceive, unlike a natural born psychic, who is apt to see the same woman, without trying, without wanting to see – unfortunately that can be alarming and distractive.
In either instance, natural born or trained, through meditation the ability is brought under control.
Ok - good. I can see how we constantly share common experience of the present moment, and that we recognize others having the same experience, even without verbal communication. But I've also seen that it's possible to tune into a future potential together with someone else, and it even seems the ability to do so gets stronger when more than one person participates. Like a heightened intuition that is strengthened by synergy. What's your experience with that?
Well, I am providing group intuitive exercise starting January 2008. I was refraining from including this in our discussion, because I did want to be promotional and that be distractive to the objective of our conversation, but now, it feels appropriate plus my post explaining the exercises, that are starting soon have your answer, but expressed with an intent you can appreciate, I am sure. Will you join us, Carl?
Also, thank you for asking these questions. For you, I took time to express this in the most practical sense, and I needed to do this! I will use my responses to you in another blog.
Aus diesem Grund sage ich Ihnen, “Zum neuen Jahr Gesundheit, Glück und viel Erfolg! Danke! “ My middle name is Carlton named after my father, Charles!
Carl, the exercises deal with the past, which can be confirmed by the way, however, in answering your qustion; discerning information from the past is the same sensation as experiencing information regarding the present and/or future, because time is only an illusion based in separation and denial. With that being said, here is that link:
Weekly Intuitive Exercises to begin January 2008
For several years I have been exploring and validating participants' intuition in group settings by way of my workshop exercises. Now, I use these experiences to connect with you and create new realities within the Healing Facilitators sister-pod, Altered States…More »
Also, Carl, I noticed you are a scientist. I am a pharmacist/chemist and research intuitive. What kind of research have you done?
Frohes Neues Jahr Bryan! Where did you learn German? I wish you a very happy and prosperous 2008.
It seems we have intuitively found our way into a discussion on group intiuition :-)
Don't worry about promoting your group exercises - they sound fascinating & I'm delighted to join.
I'm a molecular biologist by training, and do research in developmental biology. My research group tries to understand the generative process whereby living structure is built in a developing embryo.
I was an exchange student, while in college and had six years of German by then (four in high school, three years in college).
At what level of cellular differentiation from (stem cells)?
So are you researching the formation of structural cells (like parenchymal) or of general-specific connective tissue?
We look at differentiation of neural stem cells in the retina. But we're mostly interested in the signals that trigger particular cells to become a certain cell type, and less in the final differentiation program.
This could only happen on zaadz - a dialogue on group intuition that seamlessly transitions into a technical discussion of cellular differentiation ;-)
Yes, interesting idea – the discussion on Zaadz – I'd be interested surely!
The guides said to me that it was the signal you were interested in, that triggered the type of differentiation. One thing I had immediately perceived was the differentiation that happens at the stem cell's surface in growth outward versus inward like the difference between neoplasia as a tumorous versus malignant growth. Sometimes the very nature of differentiation of a tissue (proximal vs distal) draws attention to the kinds of bioactive stimuli, which start the process as being categorically ectopic; and then if general or specific like electrical stimulation, for instance; which can be general but also specific to the location where the stimulation occurs and based on the migratory pattern of cellular differentiation-growth.
What is also interesting to observe is bone formation during the healing of a break or stress fracture, as well as bone marrow function, which have characteristic behavior throughout life.
I like to look at molecules that are bioactive at the site (tissue of interest) during normal function at complete physiologic maturation, and also look at the pathology of certain degenerative disorders (retinal tissue) and watch dysfunction in histologic terms to see how the cells try to regenerate anatomically and physiologically via normal compensatory mechanisms that kick in before irreversible damage takes place.
Is there a disease with a particular pathogenesis you are observing that you are trying to reverse? For instance, Retinal Stem Cells Transplanted into Models of Late Stages of Retinitis Pigmentosa Preferentially Adopt a Glial or a Retinal Ganglion Cell Fate?
Are you working in vitro or in vivo?
Since I'm pressed for time right now, I won't launch into a full discussion on the biology of stem cells, pattern formation, and signaling dynamics during development. But it did occur to me to point out there is a connection between collective consciousness and developmental biology. Collective consciousness and intuition depends on the synergy between individuals in a larger whole, thereby generating something that's stronger and more alive than any of the individuals. That strikes me as very similar to the development of a living organism - it depends on the gradual unfoldment of living structure, mediated by dynamic signaling and optimal differentiation of all the parts, as well as their seamless integration into one whole.
Yes, this is what I expected. In a particular project I wanted to use mind energy with a plasma generator to make a nano-crystaline structure with a particular nuclear chemical isomeric configuration.
Are you interested in approaching research from cellular consciousness level? Are you interested in communicating or exchanging information on that level? There is a way to learn from cellular consciousness on the stem cell level in order to relearn patterns of development for healing purposes and education.
Intent is important. Academic knowledge is important too. Science is nature, which is how consciousness and natural laws evolved together. There is a matrix created maintaining the rapport between each. For metaphysical healing or a quantum leap in physical evolution, the contract must be modified with a new agreement that is satisfactory with collective consciousness, or it will not manifest physically at this time.
Einstein new about this. He understood much more than he told. He was smart to connect energy with matter and to suggest fourth dimensional logic. He understood that if we understood through the conservation of matter and energy as a continuum, then quantum physics would be more meaningful on an integral level, even if we cannot account for specific quantities in transition.
Quantum mechanics happens in normal physiologic development and function. This is an agreement between wave and mass particle (through coupled resonance) on the subtle level. There is an etheric interphase called the invisible body - each level having a logic or intelligence of its own. To honor this rapport is to attune to divinity, a micro-aspect of universal harmony.
I cannot wait to talk more. Maybe we can set up a pod for this. Bring in some scientists, MD's, researchers - Integral Research….or something like that.
Admiration,
Bryan
Yes, this is a fascinating subject to explore - the opening up science to new areas, and the incorporation of the subjective dimension of consciousness as a valid 'object' of study in scientific research. Quantum mechanics has shown us that we interact directly with any system we observe, and alter it by doing so. Therefore the subjective state of the observer is always an important part of the whole system, and cannot be ignored. Instead of ignoring it, as traditional science has taught us to do, maybe we can actually develop it, and interact more consciously with the things we study.
I agree it would be great to develop this dialogue. Thanks for bringing it up Bryan!
Carl, look at this:
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/FIC_visionary-metaphysical.html